Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

topic posted Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:56 PM by  offlineAzazeal
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How would one categorize the incubi and succubi? Are they a part of the Goetia but given a different name? Or, are they simply Catholic creations to discourage sexual contact with demons? Or, are they something else?

Azazeal
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    Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:12 AM
    Well... as your powers for pleasure are infinite,
    perhaps whoever and whatever they are are just
    trying to make you feel more at home with your
    sexuality. No necessary reason to think them
    either demons or angels. Too dualistic for me.

    I remember some story about the First Adam
    having to interchange with what he took to be
    such 'phantoms' in order to further new
    creation, but whether those exist in order to
    get you to accept yourself and the necessity
    of viewing your urges as not evil, as long as
    you don't overdo them, or whether they existed
    long before you and me, is truly inconsequential.

    Just enjoy it, but don't let it be your sole focus.
    • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

      Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:50 PM
      I encountered two of them already. They were very playful. I haven't been able to call them back though.

      Azazeal
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        Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

        Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:53 PM
        Oh, I see... you're gay. Ask a gay man with a lot of imagination to
        bring them your way. Also retaining your forces draws them like
        bears to honey. If you already enjoy fruitful relations they may not
        bother with you. Uhhhh, work that central pillar. The more energy
        you draw down that you barely are able to contain, the more they
        will want to relieve you of it, with a sizeable payoff in pleasure.
        I just work the Kabbalah too much in my mind, and want to
        distribute all those benefits to everyone freely, with no obligation
        whatsoever; therefore, it seems to me at times they want to lick
        me all over.
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          Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:58 PM
          Thanks again for your comments. Yes, I'm as gay as a fag can be. By the way, what did you mean by "...retaining your forces draws them like bears to honey..."?

          Azazeal
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            Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:36 AM
            If you draw down energy, becoming a conduit for the infinite,
            giving out love freely because you wish your heart to be pure,
            yet don't have an outlet for that through your Yesod to give that
            to another physically, others will want to take care of you.

            I don't want to get too personal, what you do is your business,
            but if the cup runneth over, it will attract those who want to make
            use of the surplus.
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    Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:43 AM
    To 'categorize'... they are what you think and want them to be.
    To insist they are demons just puts some ill-feeling onto that
    arrangement. You don't want anyone feeling bad or demonized
    for helping you out, do you? They really are just the many of us,
    transiting from a higher dimension. Since they are fluidly able
    to take any form, they take a form appropriate to your desires.

    On desires: to eschew them only makes them more inflamed.
    Sublimation is possible, but one should not feel at all guilty for the
    fact that physically existing promotes desire. When God was
    the sole singly existant being, he obviously had the need to be manifold
    in the forms he would take. So be moderate, and in releasing and
    making use of those natural desires in the moment, one is freed to
    do other things. I've been playing heavily with the concept of the
    Daath-Yesod circuit...
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      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:19 PM
      Well.., I was wanting to know what Incubi and Succubi were categorized as more for a means to do more resarch on them. There isn't much information about. However, there are tons of people what want to play with them.

      Azazeal
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        Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:48 AM
        They really are just your thoughtforms.
        You are the guy with the body, you're 'holdin'...

        If it turns you on to think them 'demons' or such... go right ahead.

        I don't know the Roman Catholic categorizations, and I don't care.
        Those people are BS artists.
        • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:18 AM
          Your take on it is that incubi and succubi are thoughtforms in origin? Interesting. In away then we end up playing with ourselves.
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            Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:21 AM
            OK, let me spell it out in Kabbalistic terms...
            Spirit, Soul, Personality, Body.
            Levels of Separation, yet with highly evolved
            perspective, all is unified.

            Figure out which one is servicing you.
          • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:45 PM
            not just thought forms, but emotionally charged obsessions (which seem to be a lot more powerful and let subject to the will of the ego)...
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              Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

              Fri, June 6, 2008 - 5:35 PM
              Now, after thinking about this some, and without sharing too much of my visions
              so as to scare you in any way or give you too much to try to understand at this point,
              I must say that the best thing to do in this case is resist as best you can, or even
              better than that, go find a real lover. As I said, I don't want to go into specifics, I may
              have joined this tribe out of curiousity, and contributed to this thread in order to show
              whomever that I felt that was happening to me, but now it really is not, and something
              else is occuring. I really know very little about Goetia, I don't even know the definition
              of the term, and I now say that in some cases the Roman Catholic church may be right,
              but also that their ( Incubi & Succubi) existance may be necessary. But be all means stop
              summoning them, do not use such forms of masterbation, I really mean it, find a lover instead!
              I didn't summon them, and yet they came to me anyway. I have never used any form of ritual magic.
              I have never drawn any such magical circles or pentagram or anything like that, I don't
              believe in such superstition and I never will, I believe in something else entirely.
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          Fri, December 19, 2008 - 8:20 PM
          "I don't know the Roman Catholic categorizations, and I don't care.
          Those people are BS artists."

          Indeed. They have been handling BS so long, that as far as metaphysicists go, they are indeed artists at their craft. Chaos folk, Wiccans, Thelemites, Satanists and new agers are far inferior at handling the BS.

          What I'm working at, is to develop half the skill in BS that the average RC ritualist possesses, and to develop some form of new religion from it, that is more useful (but equally as BS as everything else) to the age in which we now live.

          Magic is the art and science of BS.
          • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

            Sat, December 20, 2008 - 1:48 PM
            REAL magick is the art and science of growing mushrooms in BS
            REAL mysticism is the art and science of burning the BS in a ritual fire and wearing its ashes while you wonder around naked

            (use of the BS-laden word REAL is intentionally ridiculous)
    • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

      Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:01 AM
      >>>To insist they are demons just puts some ill-feeling onto that arrangement.<<<

      So, what ya got against demons, Charley? I have never had any problem with demons; they are generally rather simple spirits, eager to be of help whenever you let them and they've always treated me well. Are you falling into the Christianoid error of confusing demons with devils. Two entirely different species.

      Okay, I'm done with the joshing. Please permit me to inflict a poem I once wrote on the subject. it's entirely voluntary, of course; if you prefer to skip it, there's no compulsion.

      TANIT,

      . . .my dusky succubus,
      perches the bedflank
      in the interval of lusts,
      Folding leather-rustling wings to shroud
      the chill peril of her naked loins,
      she smoothes her hair around small horns
      that ape the crescent moon
      and leans above me,
      eyes lambent with nostalgic chatoyance
      relating wistful anecdotes:

      Of prideful thrones in Khem,
      Shemitic coastal towns,
      Shinaric city-states;

      Of incensed temples on Aegean isles
      where quaking throngs
      adored her whimsy's praise;

      Of mortal jests that japed at men and gods,
      until at last she mocked
      one god too many. . .

      She sighs,
      shrugs,
      stubs out her cigarette
      Resuming her profession
      of thanatotic love..


      **************************


      And that's Tanit. She's my favorite imaginary girlfriend. Maybe if I work hard enough at it, someday she won't be imaginary anymore. I know succubae are rumored to be dangerous, but as I created her, I believe I have poetic immunity. I offer no guarantees for others though. If you run into her in a dream one night, be careful. I imagined her as very faithful to her lovers (or victims). <G>

      With love under will,

      Bob, Adastra.
      The Wizzard of Jacksonville
      • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

        Wed, September 3, 2008 - 2:36 AM
        hilariously, i just concluded that my cat has been functioning as a succubus for quite some time...
        "cat's will steal your breath"
        is a folk-truism...i did not comprehend this until i noticed that my cat (who has been banished to the outdoors)
        keeps slipping in through the window, curling up with me
        getting all passionate
        and then keeping me from sleeping all night. (with her clawing, bathing, etc....we don't actually fuck)
        she also is intently focused on my face while i sleep.
        i have had dreams, while she is there, of various naked women being next to me
        (instead of my usual dreams of delicious swarthy men)
        and in one of these dreams, the energetic connection was so strong that i stopped it in order to invite a "third party"
        into the scene...which took the form of a spiraling column of light.

        to me, this relationship contains all of the ambiguity of the succubus-complex...
        distrust of the other....enjoyment followed by worry....a feeling of loosing energy through sharing of one's self...
        i think that the dream where i invited the light-column into the equation is the key to this...
        aligning with the Source as an antenna instead of seeing one's self as a finite battery with limited charge.
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          Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

          Wed, September 3, 2008 - 8:58 PM
          >>"cat's will steal your breath" <<

          Or maybe something else is doing it?

          watch this cat regain its honor and protect Drew Barrymore from the evil troll


          www.youtube.com/watch
          • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

            Tue, September 9, 2008 - 6:58 PM
            my cat is protecting the evil troll from Drew Barrymore
            • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

              Fri, November 14, 2008 - 10:43 AM
              I play with Succubus Energy frequently
              it fills me with dark joy
              actually they are generally considered Daemons
              though I consider them also a type of Faerie Pixie and dark angel
              they like to bite, drink blood, and be an exhibitionist
              I feel their energy is general is quite pleasing and sexual
              they also are attracted to shadows and necrotic behaviour
              Blissing
  • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

    Thu, December 11, 2008 - 7:15 PM
    Daemons & Angels in my opinion transcend, are not limited to, human conceptions of gender. We create them in *our* image/s. Generally Incubi are male entities, and Succubi are female entities. Derivations of Succubi and Incubi are found in many cultures under different names.
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      Sat, December 13, 2008 - 5:29 PM
      the term "Incubus"
      means one who lies on top of and is related to "incubate"
      The term "succubus"
      means one who lies under and is related to "succumb"

      Lillith is thought by some to be Queen of the Succubi
      and yet it is also believed that her "sin" or objection to the theocratic order
      was that she did not want to lie under Adam...
      thus although female (in the sense that a goddess/demon can be)
      she was an Incubus in function of the word....

      like Kali astride Shiva, Nuit astride Geb, Babalon astride the Beast.
      the role of over/under male/female creates confusion in theocratic, binary obsessed human dogma
      but in the realm of the forces themselves, there is play.

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    Sat, December 27, 2008 - 12:13 PM
    One " is female" one is "male"
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      Sat, December 27, 2008 - 1:35 PM
      standard attribution, yes.
      we are, however, exploring the set of assumptions corresponding to these gender roles,
      because these entities or sexual projections relate to the world of deep-seated desires, repressed energies and dreams which are heavily influenced by all that is expressed or not-expressed in the sexual/phantasmal conditioning of the cultures from which they originate.

      (cut to: image of Shub Nigguroth as a protean, omnisexual amoeba lurking behind every internet connection, feeding off of the millions of solitary orgasms wanked onto the keyboards of the world each day...extruding female, male, or puppy genitalia at will, and sending out spam-solicitations in Aklo)
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        Thu, January 1, 2009 - 4:09 AM
        WTF that was kinduh funny
        it didn't make any sense to me but i liked it
        my friends and I pretended we were succubae once and were running around naked in the dark
        it felt pleasurable
        • Re: Categorizing Incubi & Succubi

          Sat, October 10, 2009 - 8:42 PM
          It used to puzzle me that succubi had male endings in Latin, but the riddle was solved when I noticed the old Catholic teaching that all demons are male in essence, but could assume female form when it suited their purpose. It makes no sense to me to refer to a succub-(us), since the (-us) is the Latin ending for the singular male gender, while succubi with an (-i) is the male plural. I now prefer to use the female endings when referring to the succuba singular or to the succubae in the plural. It's time for the ladies in the demonic world to be given their due recognition.

          With love under will,

          Bob, Adastra,
          The Wizzard of Jacksonville

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